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With each new revelation on U.S. torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo (and who, knows, probably elsewhere), I am reminded of the chilling story of Alyssa Peterson, who I have written about numerous times in the past three years but now with especially sad relevance. Appalled when ordered to take part in interrogations that, no doubt, involved what we would call torture, she refused, then killed herself a few days later, in September 2003.
Of course, we now know from the torture memos and the U.S. Senate committee probe and various new press reports, that the "Gitmo-izing" of Iraq was happening just at the time Alyssa got swept up in it.
Alyssa Peterson was one of the first female soldiers killed in Iraq. A cover-up, naturally, followed.
Peterson, 27, a Flagstaff, Ariz., native, served with C Company, 311th Military Intelligence BN, 101st Airborne. Peterson was an Arabic-speaking interrogator assigned to the prison at our air base in troubled Tal Afar in northwestern Iraq. According to official records, she died on Sept. 15, 2003, from a "non-hostile weapons discharge."
A "non-hostile weapons discharge" leading to death is not unusual in Iraq, often quite accidental, so this one apparently raised few eyebrows. The Arizona Republic, three days after her death, reported that Army officials "said that a number of possible scenarios are being considered, including Peterson's own weapon discharging, the weapon of another soldier discharging, or the accidental shooting of Peterson by an Iraqi civilian." And that might have ended it right there.
But in this case, a longtime radio and newspaper reporter named Kevin Elston, not satisfied with the public story, decided to probe deeper in 2005, "just on a hunch," he told me in late 2006 (there's a chapter about it in my book on Iraq and the media, So Wrong for So Long). He made "hundreds of phone calls" to the military and couldn't get anywhere, so he filed a Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] request. When the documents of the official investigation of her death arrived, they contained bombshell revelations. Here's what the Flagstaff public radio station, KNAU, where Elston worked, reported:
"Peterson objected to the interrogation techniques used on prisoners. She refused to participate after only two nights working in the unit known as the cage. Army spokespersons for her unit have refused to describe the interrogation techniques Alyssa objected to. They say all records of those techniques have now been destroyed."
The official probe of her death would later note that earlier she had been "reprimanded" for showing "empathy" for the prisoners. One of the most moving parts of the report, in fact, is this: "She said that she did not know how to be two people; she ... could not be one person in the cage and another outside the wire."
She was then assigned to the base gate, where she monitored Iraqi guards, and sent to suicide prevention training. "But on the night of September 15th, 2003, Army investigators concluded she shot and killed herself with her service rifle," the documents disclose.
The official report revealed that a notebook she had written in was found next to her body, but blacked out its contents.
The Army talked to some of Peterson's colleagues. Asked to summarize their comments, Elston told me: "The reactions to the suicide were that she was having a difficult time separating her personal feelings from her professional duties. That was the consistent point in the testimonies, that she objected to the interrogation techniques, without describing what those techniques were."
Elston said that the documents also refer to a suicide note found on her body, which suggested that she found it ironic that suicide prevention training had taught her how to commit suicide. He filed another FOIA request for a copy of the actual note. It did not emerge.
Peterson, a devout Mormon, had graduated from Flagstaff High School and earned a psychology degree from Northern Arizona University on a military scholarship. She was trained in interrogation techniques at Fort Huachuca in Arizona, and was sent to the Middle East in 2003.
A report in The Arizona Daily Sun of Flagstaff -- three years after Alyssa's death -- revealed that Spc. Peterson's mother, Bobbi Peterson, reached at her home in northern Arizona, said that neither she nor her husband Richard had received any official documents that contained information outlined in Elston's report.
In other words: Like the press and the public, even the parents had been kept in the dark.
Tomorrow I will write about Kayla Williams, a woman who served with Alyssa, who told me me that she talked to her about her problems shortly before she killed herself. Kayla also was forced to take part in torture interrogations, where she saw detainees punched. Another favorite technique: strip the prisoners and then remove their blindfolds so that the first thing they saw was Kayla Williams. She also opted out, but survived, and is haunted years later.
Here's what Williams told Soledad O'Brien of CNN : "I was asked to assist. And what I saw was that individuals who were doing interrogations had slipped over a line and were really doing things that were inappropriate. There were prisoners that were burned with lit cigarettes."
All of this only gains relevance in light of the current debate over whether those who were "just following orders" in torture routines should be held accountable today.
Continued:Part II: Soldier Who Killed Herself -- After Refusing to Take Part in Torture
Greg Mitchell's latest book is "Why Obama Won." His previous book on Iraq and the media was "So Wrong for So Long." He is editor of Editor & Publisher.
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Iraq
With each new revelation on U.S. torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo (and who, knows, probably elsewhere), I am reminded of the chilling story of Alyssa Peterson, who I have written about numerous times in the past three years but now with especially sad relevance. Appalled when ordered to take part in interrogations that, no doubt, involved what we would call torture, she refused, then killed herself a few days later, in September 2003.
Of course, we now know from the torture memos and the U.S. Senate committee probe and various new press reports, that the "Gitmo-izing" of Iraq was happening just at the time Alyssa got swept up in it.
Alyssa Peterson was one of the first female soldiers killed in Iraq. A cover-up, naturally, followed.
Peterson, 27, a Flagstaff, Ariz., native, served with C Company, 311th Military Intelligence BN, 101st Airborne. Peterson was an Arabic-speaking interrogator assigned to the prison at our air base in troubled Tal Afar in northwestern Iraq. According to official records, she died on Sept. 15, 2003, from a "non-hostile weapons discharge."
A "non-hostile weapons discharge" leading to death is not unusual in Iraq, often quite accidental, so this one apparently raised few eyebrows. The Arizona Republic, three days after her death, reported that Army officials "said that a number of possible scenarios are being considered, including Peterson's own weapon discharging, the weapon of another soldier discharging, or the accidental shooting of Peterson by an Iraqi civilian." And that might have ended it right there.
But in this case, a longtime radio and newspaper reporter named Kevin Elston, not satisfied with the public story, decided to probe deeper in 2005, "just on a hunch," he told me in late 2006 (there's a chapter about it in my book on Iraq and the media, So Wrong for So Long). He made "hundreds of phone calls" to the military and couldn't get anywhere, so he filed a Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] request. When the documents of the official investigation of her death arrived, they contained bombshell revelations. Here's what the Flagstaff public radio station, KNAU, where Elston worked, reported:
"Peterson objected to the interrogation techniques used on prisoners. She refused to participate after only two nights working in the unit known as the cage. Army spokespersons for her unit have refused to describe the interrogation techniques Alyssa objected to. They say all records of those techniques have now been destroyed."
The official probe of her death would later note that earlier she had been "reprimanded" for showing "empathy" for the prisoners. One of the most moving parts of the report, in fact, is this: "She said that she did not know how to be two people; she ... could not be one person in the cage and another outside the wire."
She was then assigned to the base gate, where she monitored Iraqi guards, and sent to suicide prevention training. "But on the night of September 15th, 2003, Army investigators concluded she shot and killed herself with her service rifle," the documents disclose.
The official report revealed that a notebook she had written in was found next to her body, but blacked out its contents.
The Army talked to some of Peterson's colleagues. Asked to summarize their comments, Elston told me: "The reactions to the suicide were that she was having a difficult time separating her personal feelings from her professional duties. That was the consistent point in the testimonies, that she objected to the interrogation techniques, without describing what those techniques were."
Elston said that the documents also refer to a suicide note found on her body, which suggested that she found it ironic that suicide prevention training had taught her how to commit suicide. He filed another FOIA request for a copy of the actual note. It did not emerge.
Peterson, a devout Mormon, had graduated from Flagstaff High School and earned a psychology degree from Northern Arizona University on a military scholarship. She was trained in interrogation techniques at Fort Huachuca in Arizona, and was sent to the Middle East in 2003.
A report in The Arizona Daily Sun of Flagstaff -- three years after Alyssa's death -- revealed that Spc. Peterson's mother, Bobbi Peterson, reached at her home in northern Arizona, said that neither she nor her husband Richard had received any official documents that contained information outlined in Elston's report.
In other words: Like the press and the public, even the parents had been kept in the dark.
Tomorrow I will write about Kayla Williams, a woman who served with Alyssa, who told me me that she talked to her about her problems shortly before she killed herself. Kayla also was forced to take part in torture interrogations, where she saw detainees punched. Another favorite technique: strip the prisoners and then remove their blindfolds so that the first thing they saw was Kayla Williams. She also opted out, but survived, and is haunted years later.
Here's what Williams told Soledad O'Brien of CNN : "I was asked to assist. And what I saw was that individuals who were doing interrogations had slipped over a line and were really doing things that were inappropriate. There were prisoners that were burned with lit cigarettes."
All of this only gains relevance in light of the current debate over whether those who were "just following orders" in torture routines should be held accountable today.
Continued:Part II: Soldier Who Killed Herself -- After Refusing to Take Part in Torture
Greg Mitchell's latest book is "Why Obama Won." His previous book on Iraq and the media was "So Wrong for So Long." He is editor of Editor & Publisher.
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With each new revelation on U.S. torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo (and who, knows, probably elsewhere), I am reminded of the chilling story of Alyssa Peterson, who I have written about numerous ...
With each new revelation on U.S. torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo (and who, knows, probably elsewhere), I am reminded of the chilling story of Alyssa Peterson, who I have written about numerous ...
Related News On Huffington Post:
Boehner: Memos Outline "Torture Techniques"
While cable news outlets and major newspapers continue to use euphemisms such as "harsh interrogation
Guantánamo Bay
With each new revelation on U.S. torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo (and who, knows, probably elsewhere), I am reminded of the chilling story of Alyssa Peterson, who I have written about numerous ...
With each new revelation on U.S. torture in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gitmo (and who, knows, probably elsewhere), I am reminded of the chilling story of Alyssa Peterson, who I have written about numerous ...
Related News On Huffington Post:
Boehner: Memos Outline "Torture Techniques"
While cable news outlets and major newspapers continue to use euphemisms such as "harsh interrogation
Saturday, April 25, 2009
Friday, April 24, 2009
THE SECOND PART THE CHICKENS HAVE CONE HOME TO ROOST
What the fuck is wrong with America?
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I’ll make this quick and full of pomp and outrage:
What kind of fucking country do you live in where you have to debate whether torturing someone is a crime? What kind of country do you live in when you can spend 3 years prosecuting the President for a consensual sexual act but won’t prosecute a President for authorizing illegal wiretaps and torturing people? What kind of country do you live in where the supposed ’spiritual’ and ‘religious’ leaders think it’s OK to torture non-Christians? What kind of country do you live in where you can’t even use the word ‘torture’ but have to say ‘interrogation techniques’? What kind of country do you live in when their Nuremberg defense (’We were just following orders’) becomes the mantra for not holding war criminals accountable for their actions? What kind of country do you live in where a major candidate in a Presidential primary openly advocates for doubling the size of America’s illegal detention centers and increasing the use of torture?
Obama, you won the fucking election. Everyone despises Bush and his administration — they spent 8 years spitting on international law, good sense, and common decency. Fucking prosecute them. God damnit.
See Also: Peggy Noonan And A “Great Nation”, Does Torture Work?, Torture, Tactics and Strategy, Shepard Smith: ‘We Are America, We Do Not Fucking Torture!’, To Turn Your Stomach, We May Never See The Docs Cheney Claims Will Prove Torture Works, How Obama’s release of memos backfired, If America Does It, It’s Not Immoral. If A Republican Orders It, It’s Not Illegal, Release of torture memos political, When Obama decided to release the CIA interrogation memos, Obama Should Look Forward, Not Backward, and Nancy Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding.
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I’ll make this quick and full of pomp and outrage:
What kind of fucking country do you live in where you have to debate whether torturing someone is a crime? What kind of country do you live in when you can spend 3 years prosecuting the President for a consensual sexual act but won’t prosecute a President for authorizing illegal wiretaps and torturing people? What kind of country do you live in where the supposed ’spiritual’ and ‘religious’ leaders think it’s OK to torture non-Christians? What kind of country do you live in where you can’t even use the word ‘torture’ but have to say ‘interrogation techniques’? What kind of country do you live in when their Nuremberg defense (’We were just following orders’) becomes the mantra for not holding war criminals accountable for their actions? What kind of country do you live in where a major candidate in a Presidential primary openly advocates for doubling the size of America’s illegal detention centers and increasing the use of torture?
Obama, you won the fucking election. Everyone despises Bush and his administration — they spent 8 years spitting on international law, good sense, and common decency. Fucking prosecute them. God damnit.
See Also: Peggy Noonan And A “Great Nation”, Does Torture Work?, Torture, Tactics and Strategy, Shepard Smith: ‘We Are America, We Do Not Fucking Torture!’, To Turn Your Stomach, We May Never See The Docs Cheney Claims Will Prove Torture Works, How Obama’s release of memos backfired, If America Does It, It’s Not Immoral. If A Republican Orders It, It’s Not Illegal, Release of torture memos political, When Obama decided to release the CIA interrogation memos, Obama Should Look Forward, Not Backward, and Nancy Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding.
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THE CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST
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23 Apr 2009 09:23 pm
Peggy Noonan And A "Great Nation"
"The Democrats had long labeled the impeachment debate a distraction from the urgent business of a great nation. But the Republicans argued that the pursuit of justice is the business of a great nation. In winning this point, they caught the falling flag, producing a triumph for the rule of law, a reassertion of the belief that no man is above it, and a rebuke for an arrogance that had grown imperial," - Peggy Noonan, December 21. 1998."It’s hard for me to look at a great nation issuing these documents and sending them out to the world and thinking, ‘Oh, much good will come of that.’ Sometimes in life you want to keep walking… Some of life has to be mysterious." - Peggy Noonan, April 19, 2009.
Remember also that the issue with Clinton was perjury in a civil suit. That required impeachment. But war crimes?
Faster, Peggy, faster.
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23 Apr 2009 09:23 pm
Peggy Noonan And A "Great Nation"
"The Democrats had long labeled the impeachment debate a distraction from the urgent business of a great nation. But the Republicans argued that the pursuit of justice is the business of a great nation. In winning this point, they caught the falling flag, producing a triumph for the rule of law, a reassertion of the belief that no man is above it, and a rebuke for an arrogance that had grown imperial," - Peggy Noonan, December 21. 1998."It’s hard for me to look at a great nation issuing these documents and sending them out to the world and thinking, ‘Oh, much good will come of that.’ Sometimes in life you want to keep walking… Some of life has to be mysterious." - Peggy Noonan, April 19, 2009.
Remember also that the issue with Clinton was perjury in a civil suit. That required impeachment. But war crimes?
Faster, Peggy, faster.
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Thursday, April 23, 2009
GOD#### AMERICAN####HYPOCRITES
When Rev. wright said that the chicken have come home to roust, the fire hit the fan, he is UN AMERICAN, he dose not love this country, Rev Wright was vilified as not been a patriot, they accused him of been a radical, this came from the right, a man of god was speaking the truth, some body on the right should have applauded him for speaking the truth, but what they did was to vilify him.( hypocrites), Carl Rove accused the president of trying to turn America into a banana republic, the Bush let seven of our military soldiers go to prison for following orders that came from the office of the president, ( HYPOCRISY), THE CHICKEN HAVE COME HOME TO ROUST, the beginning of the cover up has started this is what our government did with ABA Grid, Rumsfled said that it was just a few bad apples, i new that those soldiers did not act on their own and congress new that to, now it's time for those soldiers to be set free, and be paid well for their time that they spent in jail, and given a discharge with no stain on it and their record, call or write or e mail your senator and congress person tell them to let those troops go, tell them to act, and act now.
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Wednesday, April 22, 2009
THE MORALITY AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
- Why are the republican party of morals and beliefs and principals trying to excuse war crimes, if American dose not believe that the republican or hypocrites something is wrong with us, we prosecuted the Japanese for water boarding our troops, and now the republican or saying it's all right now because we meant no harm, we or American we can break the law, we can invade another country for know good reason or threat to us, we locked up people without cause like we did with the Japanese, the party of morals or showing their true colors, they or showing America that they are speaking out of bought side of their mouth, the Bush administration new exactly what they were doing, Cheney and Rumsfeld and the rest of the neocon in his administration started to devolved how to torture eight months before they told the justice department to draft some laws to cover their ass, this is why other countries don't trust America, now the republican are trying to tell us that they did not know that water boarding was a war crime and they thought we were going to be attacked again, this is the way they have ruled, fear and hate, keep you afraid and make you think that your neighbor is out to get you, the more i listen to the republican and read history the republican remind me of some one else, who used fear and hate to rule.
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Friday, April 17, 2009
WAR CRIMES, NUREMBERG AND AMERICAN POLITICS
THE REPUBLICAN PLATFORM IS, morals, Principal's and beliefs, now let's see( water boarding a war crime,) we took the high ground and prosecuted the Japanese for water boarding our troops, the Nuremberg trial in Germany was our finest hour we showed the world we were a moral nation, the republican beliefs, they believe that the government should stay out of peoples lives, but women can't do what they want to do with their body, if you love some body and it's not of the opposite sex we the republican will not allow that, that is not your life it's our life to control, you don't have the same rights that all American have, you can not marry and be happy with the one you love, your life style we don't approve off, now remember we want government to leave us alone,( get out of our lives,) we the republican and some democrats believe that if you are of another color you don't have the right to hold the highest office in the land, our principals are we will tell you what ever and anything you want to hear in order for us to keep power in our hands, ( in other words we are hypocrites), we say that we are a nation of laws or are those laws for the under class only,or were the laws made for all, clearly the people at the top committed war crimes and we law abiding citizen will sweep this under the rug, because these people are in high places, the constitution says that the president can be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanor but since the president is no longer in office he still can be prosecuted for war crimes.
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Thursday, April 16, 2009
THE GOVERNMENT AND ECONOMICS
I DON'T HAVE A DEGREE IN ECONOMICS BUT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS DOING IS CRAZY, (I AM A OBAMA SUPPORTER) WE GIVE ALL KIND OF MONEY TO WALL STREET WITH KNOW RESTRICTION AND THEY BAIL OUT OTHER BANKS LIKE ( GOLDMAN SACh) they have not let the money go down to the smaller banks in the states to help small business's, if i had any say so, this is what i would do, i would set up a section in the in the SBA to operate like a bank, they would be authorize to loan money with a low interest rate, give each state 4 billion dollars for SBA to operate with, they could barrow it for a short term are a long term, that would not cost the American people nothing, take the 200 billion from the TRAP program, that would stop lay off and keep these companies running, that should have been a plan from the start, we have two wall street people who is advising him, they are not thinking about the average small business people they are for the survival of wall street, i have asked the president to find some one out side of wall street to advise him, he is been hood winked by Mr Geithner and Summers and Bernake.
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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
RACE AND AMERICA AND APPLE PIE
E-PLURIBUS-UNUM THIS HAVE BEEN ON OUR MONEY FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE LIVED, WHAT E-PLURIBUS-UNUM is suppose to mean, out of Meany come one, this country have never lived up to it's creed, the us constitution was used to force this nation to treat blacks as people not property, in the year 2009 we American have not treated our blacks or browns as equal,the reason for this blog, great nation have failed for the following reason, religion- class and race- and money, what i am afraid of is race will destroy us, we in America have not learned that we would be stronger if spoke to the world with one voice, we must debate and protest and come to a decision, this is why we have election, this is how we protest, this is why we have election, some people in the united states or up in arms because we have a black president who was elected by the people, their or some who just don't get it and unable to cope, this is not because he is not qualified but for the color of his skin, 46 million people were willing to put an unqualified person in office for the color of his skin, some pundits tell black American to get over the racist mood for you have a black man as the president, but how do you get over the racist and bigotry that lives in the heart of 46 million American people, we have not addressed the race issues in this country, but things are getting better, people will vote against their own interest instead of voting for the most qualified person if the other person is black, the republican in congress or trying to obstruct the plans of the president Obama so they can say we told you that a black person did not have the brains to run this country, a black person can't think as well as a white person, some still think that black are inferior to whites. nk
Tuesday, April 7, 2009
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I am truly saddened when I hear that people believe that the left wing's sole purpose is to humiliate this country. It is truly the most ignorant opinion one could possibly come too albeit a popular one. The truth is that the actions of our government, primarily under the Bush Admin., have humiliated millions of Americans (those who aren't are in denial) and has destroyed our credibility abroad. It will take years to correct our errors and repair the wrong we have done. I believe that Obama feels that releasing these documents is a step in the right direction, as it certainly is not a fix all. I am not sure what benefit it serves as I doubt Bush or anyone else will really suffer any consequences, deserved or not. One might say that it will damage Republicans but I doubt it, the (m)asses forget so quickly and are easily distracted by the hot topic of the day, key catch phrases and the Republicans would probably just blame Dems for it anyway as their mindless zombie loyalists greedily lap it up and then regurgitate it to anyone within earshot on and daily basis. How people can be so afraid of being wrong that they are unwilling to even examine the facts is simply beyond me. I truly do not understand the mind of the modern republican or Bush advocate. Why hide if their is nothing to hide? These lame excuses for things, from the wars to building 7 to the reasoning behind not releasing these memos, are about all I can take. I have always considered myself a rationalist and pride myself in my objectivity, but the gall of people to blindly accept whatever propaganda the Gov is feeding you without thinking critically about the validity and motive and most of all facts obtained from independent sources is irresponsible and ignorant. I cannot understand the rational no matter how hard I try. The constant lying, derailing, spin, hype and one-sidedness of the GOP and their media affiliates makes me ashamed of this country. I just dont understand how people buy into it. I suppose its fear, fear must be the reason for knowingly accepting lies as truth, fear of what it means about this country should we learn that our worst suspicions were valid, and fear of the measures that would be required to repair our system. Acting or refusing to act out in fear of change, in fear of abandoning old and unproductive norms, in fear recognising that you have been fundamentally deceived, in fear of taking steps forward is a sad a shameful paradigm. I am ashamed of Bush and his administration and his party and the Dems who failed to do their jobs when he was in office. I have never been particularly fond of either party but seeing how GOP acted under Bush moreover how they are behaving now has all but convinced me that they truly want to destroy this country. The management of this country is not a game, it is not about winning or losing or being right, its about doing whats right. Thank god we have a President who SEEMS to operate by that ideal.
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I am truly saddened when I hear that people believe that the left wing's sole purpose is to humiliate this country. It is truly the most ignorant opinion one could possibly come too albeit a popular one. The truth is that the actions of our government, primarily under the Bush Admin., have humiliated millions of Americans (those who aren't are in denial) and has destroyed our credibility abroad. It will take years to correct our errors and repair the wrong we have done. I believe that Obama feels that releasing these documents is a step in the right direction, as it certainly is not a fix all. I am not sure what benefit it serves as I doubt Bush or anyone else will really suffer any consequences, deserved or not. One might say that it will damage Republicans but I doubt it, the (m)asses forget so quickly and are easily distracted by the hot topic of the day, key catch phrases and the Republicans would probably just blame Dems for it anyway as their mindless zombie loyalists greedily lap it up and then regurgitate it to anyone within earshot on and daily basis. How people can be so afraid of being wrong that they are unwilling to even examine the facts is simply beyond me. I truly do not understand the mind of the modern republican or Bush advocate. Why hide if their is nothing to hide? These lame excuses for things, from the wars to building 7 to the reasoning behind not releasing these memos, are about all I can take. I have always considered myself a rationalist and pride myself in my objectivity, but the gall of people to blindly accept whatever propaganda the Gov is feeding you without thinking critically about the validity and motive and most of all facts obtained from independent sources is irresponsible and ignorant. I cannot understand the rational no matter how hard I try. The constant lying, derailing, spin, hype and one-sidedness of the GOP and their media affiliates makes me ashamed of this country. I just dont understand how people buy into it. I suppose its fear, fear must be the reason for knowingly accepting lies as truth, fear of what it means about this country should we learn that our worst suspicions were valid, and fear of the measures that would be required to repair our system. Acting or refusing to act out in fear of change, in fear of abandoning old and unproductive norms, in fear recognising that you have been fundamentally deceived, in fear of taking steps forward is a sad a shameful paradigm. I am ashamed of Bush and his administration and his party and the Dems who failed to do their jobs when he was in office. I have never been particularly fond of either party but seeing how GOP acted under Bush moreover how they are behaving now has all but convinced me that they truly want to destroy this country. The management of this country is not a game, it is not about winning or losing or being right, its about doing whats right. Thank god we have a President who SEEMS to operate by that ideal.
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I am truly saddened when I hear that people believe that the left wing's sole purpose is to humiliate this country. It is truly the most ignorant opinion one could possibly come too albeit a popular one. The truth is that the actions of our government, primarily under the Bush Admin., have humiliated millions of Americans (those who aren't are in denial) and has destroyed our credibility abroad. It will take years to correct our errors and repair the wrong we have done. I believe that Obama feels that releasing these documents is a step in the right direction, as it certainly is not a fix all. I am not sure what benefit it serves as I doubt Bush or anyone else will really suffer any consequences, deserved or not. One might say that it will damage Republicans but I doubt it, the (m)asses forget so quickly and are easily distracted by the hot topic of the day, key catch phrases and the Republicans would probably just blame Dems for it anyway as their mindless zombie loyalists greedily lap it up and then regurgitate it to anyone within earshot on and daily basis. How people can be so afraid of being wrong that they are unwilling to even examine the facts is simply beyond me. I truly do not understand the mind of the modern republican or Bush advocate. Why hide if their is nothing to hide? These lame excuses for things, from the wars to building 7 to the reasoning behind not releasing these memos, are about all I can take. I have always considered myself a rationalist and pride myself in my objectivity, but the gall of people to blindly accept whatever propaganda the Gov is feeding you without thinking critically about the validity and motive and most of all facts obtained from independent sources is irresponsible and ignorant. I cannot understand the rational no matter how hard I try. The constant lying, derailing, spin, hype and one-sidedness of the GOP and their media affiliates makes me ashamed of this country. I just dont understand how people buy into it. I suppose its fear, fear must be the reason for knowingly accepting lies as truth, fear of what it means about this country should we learn that our worst suspicions were valid, and fear of the measures that would be required to repair our system. Acting or refusing to act out in fear of change, in fear of abandoning old and unproductive norms, in fear recognising that you have been fundamentally deceived, in fear of taking steps forward is a sad a shameful paradigm. I am ashamed of Bush and his administration and his party and the Dems who failed to do their jobs when he was in office. I have never been particularly fond of either party but seeing how GOP acted under Bush moreover how they are behaving now has all but convinced me that they truly want to destroy this country. The management of this country is not a game, it is not about winning or losing or being right, its about doing whats right. Thank god we have a President who SEEMS to operate by that ideal.
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THIS CAME FROM NEWSVINE .COM THE SEED WAS FROM MR HUNTER.
I am truly saddened when I hear that people believe that the left wing's sole purpose is to humiliate this country. It is truly the most ignorant opinion one could possibly come too albeit a popular one. The truth is that the actions of our government, primarily under the Bush Admin., have humiliated millions of Americans (those who aren't are in denial) and has destroyed our credibility abroad. It will take years to correct our errors and repair the wrong we have done. I believe that Obama feels that releasing these documents is a step in the right direction, as it certainly is not a fix all. I am not sure what benefit it serves as I doubt Bush or anyone else will really suffer any consequences, deserved or not. One might say that it will damage Republicans but I doubt it, the (m)asses forget so quickly and are easily distracted by the hot topic of the day, key catch phrases and the Republicans would probably just blame Dems for it anyway as their mindless zombie loyalists greedily lap it up and then regurgitate it to anyone within earshot on and daily basis. How people can be so afraid of being wrong that they are unwilling to even examine the facts is simply beyond me. I truly do not understand the mind of the modern republican or Bush advocate. Why hide if their is nothing to hide? These lame excuses for things, from the wars to building 7 to the reasoning behind not releasing these memos, are about all I can take. I have always considered myself a rationalist and pride myself in my objectivity, but the gall of people to blindly accept whatever propaganda the Gov is feeding you without thinking critically about the validity and motive and most of all facts obtained from independent sources is irresponsible and ignorant. I cannot understand the rational no matter how hard I try. The constant lying, derailing, spin, hype and one-sidedness of the GOP and their media affiliates makes me ashamed of this country. I just dont understand how people buy into it. I suppose its fear, fear must be the reason for knowingly accepting lies as truth, fear of what it means about this country should we learn that our worst suspicions were valid, and fear of the measures that would be required to repair our system. Acting or refusing to act out in fear of change, in fear of abandoning old and unproductive norms, in fear recognising that you have been fundamentally deceived, in fear of taking steps forward is a sad a shameful paradigm. I am ashamed of Bush and his administration and his party and the Dems who failed to do their jobs when he was in office. I have never been particularly fond of either party but seeing how GOP acted under Bush moreover how they are behaving now has all but convinced me that they truly want to destroy this country. The management of this country is not a game, it is not about winning or losing or being right, its about doing whats right. Thank god we have a President who SEEMS to operate by that ideal.
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